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Artemis, Artnapper — Your personal art companion

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Thomas Schranz ⛄️
Have you ever seen a 🎨 painting and wanted to find out more about it? With Artemis you can take a picture, send it to Artemis on Facebook Messenger and she will tell you what she knows about it. Artemis is a great example for how the smart phone can feel like a 🎩 magical wand. Whether you transport yourself using Uber, open doors with Airbnb, or whether you transform an image you just took into information about art with Artemis it really is the combination of accessibility, simple micro interactions and habit that make a magical experience. Also you get a very nice trail of your art discovery journey at an exhibition and it is super easy to just scroll back up when you want to show something you found to friends. ⌛️ Chronological views are very useful. I think we will see way more of these use cases on Facebook Messenger and other platforms very soon. It is incredible how much easier it is to adopt a useful service when you can skip downloading and installing. After all my phone is full of pictures of art and I ran out of storage a long time ago.
Pamina Georg
Hi, I'm Pamina. Thanks for hunting :) I created Artemis, because I love art but still see a lot of potential in how art can be experienced - whether that is in AR/VR, otherwise virtual or the real world. Artemis is a fun way to make art more accessible and it's only the start. Ask me anything, I'm happily answering all of your questions :)
Thomas Schranz ⛄️
Have you looked at the most recent Facebook Messenger Platform update (v1.4)? What are your thoughts on it? https://developers.facebook.com/...
Pamina Georg
@__tosh Yes I have, I am a big fan of the new feature to disable text and image input. I think a lot of messenger apps will benefit from a restricted interaction mode, but are also allowed to design more of their interactions with the new persistent menu. It's a nice step forward in showing developers and users that 'chat bots' doesn't necessarily entail NLP or only text-based interaction.
Kunal Bhatia
@mina1604 I know a lot of museums don't allow you to take pictures. I imagine that you are partnering with museums where pictures are encouraged. Any thoughts on a different interaction mode when you can't send Artemis Artnapper a picture?
Pamina Georg
@kunalslab Yes, you're right. We're working on a solution that will still support the same visitor experience while considering museums' needs in that regard.
Peter Buchroithner
I really love the image recognition and the fast response time, great job. One question: What's the ideal use-case for Artemis?
Pamina Georg
@peterbuch Thank you, Peter. Well there are a couple. Artemis works really well with quite famous ‘old’ but also contemporary paintings and artists. So first of all whenever you see something you are pretty sure is famous but don’t know the title or artist - at a friend’s house, at a party or on the street - and want to find out what it is, you can ask Artemis. Some people also use Artemis in museums either to find out more, but also to have a place where the art you see and are touched by - otherwise you wouldn’t take a picture - is stored for an unlimited amount of time. And thanks to Messenger, easily retrievable at any time. For now, Artemis is a tech and UX demo that is going to be adapted and customized for museum and exhibition experiences. Going forward you will see official facebook pages of museums and art exhibitions powered by Artemis in the background to make your messenger art experience even fuller. Your personal history of museum experiences so to speak :)
João Dubeux Kawamura
@mina1604 @peterbuch - So it looks like Artemis is your riskiest assumption test (Though she is way too cute to call a RAT! https://hackernoon.com/the-mvp-i... ). Well, something that kills clunky museum audioguides is a powerful enough value proposition to me :) Beyond the obvious encyclopedic content on paintings, I would love to see smart curators adding insightful and authentically digital content content to their exhibition pieces!
Pamina Georg
@joaodk @peterbuch thank you :) yes audioguides are another motivation for me to pursue this :)
John Fowler
@mina1604 this is a really great execution of a messenger bot. It looks like you have taken the existing messenger technology to the perfect level, without trying to push the boundaries of the technology too far which can create a poor user experience. A very smart move. I love the name! A little bit of a shame to me that she's not called "Artemis Artsnapper" though :P
Pamina Georg
@johnsteerfowler Hi John, thank you so much. You're right about the name, I thought about it. I chose Artnapper because I like the idea of freeing the access to art and making it more available to the public. does that make sense? :D
John Fowler
@mina1604 That makes sense. I love the idea of personifying the bot into a fictional character. In my head I picture the voice of Edna Mode from The Incredibles http://pixar.wikia.com/wiki/Edna... - was this possibly an inspiration for the icon?
Pamina Georg
@johnsteerfowler haha nice, I love that you immediately jumped to a familiar character. However she wasn't an inspiration :)
John Fowler
@mina1604 Haha shame! I don't think I will lose her voice from my mind though! Thanks for making an awesome product, look forward to trying it in a gallery soon
Pamina Georg
@johnsteerfowler you shouldn't and please do :) thank you so much
Peter Freeby
What are it's capabilities in the contemporary art world? I can't imagine there's a current API for lesser known brooklyn artists...
Pamina Georg
@peterfreeby Yes you're right. Right now, it works really great with quite 'famous' art. Not every piece is recognized, but I am myself often surprised how well it works :) However as mentioned above, we're already working on a platform for all kinds of art :)
Aziz Morsly
I couldn't make it recognise 2 Picasso paintings :/ Is there a way to provide feedback and retrain the algo?
Feyyaz Alingan
Hey Pamina, really well executed, kudos! How are you handling the fact that most tourists don't have web access when in museums (best case: no cell coverage, worst case: no roaming) or are most museums you work with offering free wifi anyway?
Pamina Georg
@freshfey Hi, very interesting question. For me it's also very important that the experience doesn't suffer from lack of wifi. Tbh I would love to have free global wifi access because at the moment it is basically an inhibitor to access for services on all messaging platforms until there's better offline support. For Artemis specifically, I'm making sure that there is free wifi at all museums and locations we're partnering with.
Thomas Schranz ⛄️
Are there other (messaging) platforms that you are looking at beyond Facebook Messenger?
Pamina Georg
@__tosh Yes, I'm very intrigued by Wechat at the moment. The platform within China is amazing with all the integrated services they offer. Plus, the Chinese are a big part of European tourism. In 2016 almost 27 million Chinese tourists came to Europe. However, the platform is pretty restricted here right now, so I think adding Artemis as a service would be a great idea. (http://sete.gr/_fileuploads/entr...) Apart from that, I'm also looking at integrating Artemis with Kik and Telegram.
Andreas Mahringer
Where do you want to take Artemis going forward?
Pamina Georg
@mahringer_a Hi Andreas, I want to make her part of the finest art museums on this planet and have her give you the facts that are of most value to you about what’s going on there. Artemis might even guide you through your next exhibition visits. She’ll be your place to store and retrieve the art that is most important to you and she will tell you stories about it you haven’t heard before. Eventually Artemis will be your primary point of contact for all things art. Imagine your conversations being memories of experiences you had like a photo album.
Kate
@mina1604 @mahringer_a would Artemis ever have a shopping component integrated? I could very easily see an opportunity to purchase prints of amazing works of art discovered while out at museums.
Pamina Georg
@katesegrin @mahringer_a well let's just say that would be the only use case for me concerning monetizing users in case I should ever do that :))
Sergey Pirogov
Cool idea! Do you have a team? Or you're a one-man band?
Pamina Georg
@perpetuous we're a small team of art & tech enthusiasts and part of the lemmings incubator - the best support system you could wish for :)
Ekaterina Klink
Interesting concept! How do you plan to monetize it? google API free tier is probably not enough...
Pamina Georg
@ekaterinaklink Hi Ekaterina Right now I'm focusing on creating the best user experience I can. But looking at the visitor numbers from the top museums in Europe and the US, I'm not worried about finding ways to monetize it :) It also should be mentioned that Artemis is only the beginning and a tech and UX demo for something bigger yet to come.
Martin Schurrer
What's your source for the art data? How do you do image recognition?
Pamina Georg
@msch Hi, Martin. I use different image recognition APIs for Artemis, e.g. logo detection from Google Vision API which is the most accurate one. On top of that, I use WikiArt’s public API to get more information on the paintings, i.e. the piece’s completion year and the artist.
Barbara Ondrisek
great bot, congratulations! (how) do you plan to monetize it?
Pamina Georg
@electrobabe Hi Barbara :) I'm currently focusing on developing the best user experience possible for art exploration. Monetization is not a priority right now and will come later. Looking at the Louvre for example, they had 7.3 million visitors in 2016, I'm sure to find ways to monetize it if the experience with Artemis goes beyond the current one :)
Natalie Korotaeva
How will museums could have an access to it?
Pamina Georg
@natalie_korotaeva I currently work with selected museums like the curators for a future exhibition at the Angewandte Wien (University of Applied Arts Vienna, http://www.dieangewandte.at/) to create a customized messenger experience for museums. In addition to that I'm working on a self-service platform that can be used directly by museums and curators of exhibitions or by social media agencies who are currently responsible for communication and engagement.
Craig Elimeliah
Horrible... absolutely horrible. Gave it three famous paintings and all it could do was rudimentary description of what might be in the painting, no artist, no name, nothing... crap service.
Martin Schurrer
What do you use for NLP?
Pamina Georg
@msch Nothing yet. Tbh I don’t see the point in NLP for such a restricted use case. Artemis has some easter eggs though, e.g. asking her about her favorite painting :) which by now can also be accessed through the new persistent menu, thx to yesterday's update. I don’t think that NLP-driven bots are at a point where you actually enjoy the experience. From what I’ve seen, I’m either amused, weirded out or frustrated by them. I think it’s way better to find use cases that work really well with the limited but powerful UI/UX you have on messaging platforms. Then it is just a matter of designing interactions and flow.
Martin Schurrer
@mina1604 Totally agree with this assessment. I use FB messenger bots on the go, for specific actions. Just like Siri, unless NLP is 100% accurate, it's not useful to me, I'd rather press buttons or use hard-coded "commands".
Larisa Stanescu
Hi Pamina, I love your idea! How did you come up with it? And also why Facebook Messenger?
Pamina Georg
@larisa_stanescu Hi, Larisa. I went to an exhibition here in Vienna a couple of months ago that offered no information on the pieces on display whatsoever. At that point I just thought a bot might be nice since I was part of Lemmings I/O - an incubator on messaging experiences right here in Vienna. As far as FB Messenger is concerned, it’s by far the biggest messaging platform in Europe and the US. So I think it’s a good way to start. Plus, the UI/UX offered with Facebook Messenger is sleek and adaptable for many use cases. I like how many ways they offer to actually design UI/UX for your bot that doesn’t rely on NLP! Thinking about it, I realized that Facebook Pages and it’s tight integration with Messenger is also an ideal way for me to create the kind of museum and art experience that I want people to have. Artemis’ Facebook Page is her way of connecting you to small bits and pieces of famous, known or unknown art that is out there. @artemis.artnapper on Messenger is your personal art buddy where you can have fun and store the things you want. You can retrieve and share them easily with your friends. It’s basically all I need :)
Georg J Buch
How will you make people aware of Artemis?
Pamina Georg
@georg_buch Artemis is going to accompany you in museums in the future. If you like art, there will be a good chance you’ll get to know her at some point. In Vienna people are going to use Artemis at an exhibition at the Angewandte (http://www.dieangewandte.at/) in a couple of months - even if they won’t recognize her :) We're already talking to more museums and exhibitions and will soon announce more. Stay tuned.
Naomi Assaraf 🔥
Very smart 🤓