Waking Up
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Discover your mind.
Andrew Wilkinson
Waking Up — Guided meditation with Sam Harris
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Join Sam Harris—neuroscientist, philosopher, and bestselling author—on a course that will teach you to meditate, reason more effectively, and deepen your understanding of yourself and others.

The Waking Up Course is for anyone who wants to begin the practice of mindfulness meditation, as well as for those with an established practice.

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Ryan Hoover
Interesting to see this launch and surprised more authors/podcasters with large followings don't expand their reach in this way. What's the backstory, @samharrisofficial? Curious how long it's been in the works and what you think about the competitive meditation app space today.
Jason
@samharrisofficial @rrhoover "competitive meditation" that's such a hilarious phrase! 😉
Sam Harris
@rrhoover I think I can guess why more don't do it—building an app is hard! I naively thought it was analogous to building a website. After a very protracted and expensive false start, I finally found a team that I could trust to do it. The current version was build by the great people at Metalab, and we've now put a full-time team in place to maintain and develop it.
Michael Jones
@samharrisofficial @rrhoover @sixside I predict Sam's offering will fare well in the cutthroat, competitive meditation app space.
Emily Hodgins
Hi @samharrisofficial thanks for joining us! In this busy world we live in, how do you recommend people find time for mindfulness? What are you top tips for getting into a positive routine?
Sam Harris
@ems_hodge You just have to prioritize it and do it. Apps make it easy, because you're only committing in increments of 10 minutes. Commit to 10 minutes a day for 30 days and see what happens. If you don't think you have 10 minutes to spare, you should probably do 20 minutes...😄
Benjamin Lupton
@samharrisofficial I've read Waking Up (I found the split hemisphere problem to be fascinating) and The Moral Landscape ("hurting to prevent further harm" changed my life dramatically, it essentially unlocked my potential, finally giving me a way to incorporate cruelty into my ahimsa orientated morality) as well as listened to dozens of your podcasts, however I still find these breathing apps a waste of time. Several years ago, I discovered Eckhart Tolle which had a profound impact on me, and I threw myself into the deep end of that practice, and was able to completely distance myself from the rat race and the immediate suffering, violence, and abuse that was thrown upon me against my will. However, all these sit down and breathe things I find to waste my time, just like how I find listening to Eckhart Tolle now a waste of time, as I can already detach from suffering and control my attention quite well. Paulo Coelho has written that meditation for him is his archery practice. I've given the first two days of your app a go, but found it just as useless as the other apps in the scene. In your introduction to the app, you said that once you achieve the ability of "mindfulness" then it is a skill that doesn't go away (like the knowledge of the illuminated night sky). Could I have merely unlocked that skill with my Eckhart Tolle study 5 years ago? Or am I missing something here? From what I can tell, the benefits of meditation seem to skew towards certain big 5 personalities. If one has already have developed the skill to detach at will, to endure abuse stoically, then it seems better for them to act to solve identified problems than to let them linger in stillness (like using a combination of spontaneous and systemised thought, like journalling, questionnaires, and procedural planning), as well as to gain ether-like meta awareness by doing the routines that consistently produce that state for them (say running, looking at the stars, or having a slumber), and that being still when the situation is beckoning for action is a mistake. Perhaps Americans may be more high strung than Australians, and overwork themselves too much, as the lack of success I see most often among my Australian circles, is not too-much-action (which antidote is stillness and calmness), but too-little-action (which antidote is more diligence). It seems that meditation/stillness/mindfulness is always packaged as this "be all do all for absolutely everyone" where it seems to me, that certain demographics may achieve the proposed benefits better from other means, or gain no benefits from it, yet no one talks about such limitations, and I don't understand why.
Sam Harris
Hi All— If I knew how painful it would be to build a meditation app, I might not have tried. It only took 1189 days! (That is literally true.) But it's here, and I'm happy with it. And I'll be building out the curriculum over the next year—which will be the fun part. Looking forward to discussing it with you from 1-2 pm PT.
Jijo Sunny
@samharrisofficial This is awesome Sam. I just received your Patron email for lifetime subscription access. As a super user of Calm and Headspace, so excited to give this a whirl
Sam Harris
@jijosunny Hope you enjoy it. And thanks for supporting the podcast!
Josh James
@samharrisofficial Any advice for hypochondriacs who find meditation difficult because focusing on our body is exactly what makes us nervous?
Yevgeny Simkin
@samharrisofficial I'm unclear on where this Live Q&A takes place on this page... am I overlooking some widget? (I'm sorry - I'm new to technology having only spent the last 20 years in the field, so all this is still quite new to me)
Mars Cheung
@samharrisofficial Hello Mr. Harris. Big fan and supporter of your work. I'm enormously excited to begin exploration of meditation under the guidance of your app. Having been a practitioner of martial arts, do you see any parallels between the meditative practices advocated and the 'moving meditation' espoused by some Japanese martial arts traditions? A Zen Priest and Aikido practitioner I once studied under stated something along the lines of one practice having influenced the other. Asian traditions, I think, would state this influence as a state of 'no-mind'. Could you comment on this?
Ivan Kirigin
@awilkinson @samharrisofficial I see there is an investment from Tiny. Have you blogged about this? What is the story here? http://tiny.website/
Sam Harris
@awilkinson @ikirigin Yes. Andrew Wilkinson (started Metalab, which built the current version) is also an investor in the app. He really got the project on track.
Ivan Kirigin
@awilkinson @samharrisofficial this is interesting with your views on ads. Taking on investors means their interests and yours might conflict. Might you hesitate criticizing any of their dozens of other investments? Investments follow a powerlaw returns, and investors tend to focus on outliers. I hope your app is a huge success, but I doubt you expect outlier returns here. What outcome do you want? http://blog.yesgraph.com/underst...
Chris Marin
Your book Waking Up, as well as your guided meditations and discussions with Joseph, Dan, and Richie, have all had a profound impact on my life. Very excited this app finally hit production. My question is about the tangible benefits you've enjoyed since embodying a state of selflessness. What have been some of the most positive life experiences resulting from losing your sense of self? Similarly, were there any adverse life experience that arose from jettisoning this sense of self? We love that you are doing this Sam! There are thousands of us who believe this, for every one of us who state it outright -- thank you all the work you do thinking in public @samharrisofficial
Sam Harris
@_chrismarin Thanks, Chris! Very glad to hear it. Re: selflessness — Being able to recognize the illusoriness of the self on demand (rather than having the feeling of self fall away from time to time at moments of peak concentration, likely on intensive retreat) is a very important life skill. It has the power to cut through psychological suffering in a way that just "being mindful" of the suffering often doesn't. Of course, if you're lost in thought in the next moment, you'll be miserable again. But it really is possible to develop a type of (nondual) mindfulness that frees you in every moment that it arises.
Stewart Henderson

The interface is easily to use. I haven't yet purchased a subscription yet so I can't speak to the paid content at this point.

Pros:

Good training and meditation practice

Cons:

None yet

Bryan Maniotakis
Knowing what you do now about the process of app development, what are some tips you would pass on to someone looking to do the same for the first time?
Yevgeny Simkin
@bryanmanio Hi Bryan. The Russian Mob develops apps and specifically we have a platform to build this sort of app (I tried multiple times to get in touch with Sam to offer to build this app - we would have launched it many moons ago, but he's a very hard man to reach and I suspect he never saw any of my various entreaties to him). If you have questions about app development in general or specific questions as they pertain to your needs please don't hesitate to ask. My email is ysimkin@therussianmob.com
Erich J. Lehmann
Hey Sam, in what direction are you planning to take the content? It came up during your conversations with Peterson that there's a certain "void" we feel when we shed ourselves from any dogmatic principles and try to structure our lives from first principles. I can't help but noticing that your content fills it? Or it at least changes your perception of the void, doesn't it (?) 🤔
Chris Guest
@samharrisofficial congrats on launching! I could have sworn you’ve only been talking about this for 1188 days ;) Downloaded and trying now. I love headspace but have hit a bit of a plateau after 3+ years of use so am excited to try something different.
Sam Harris
@guesto This will be different, and more directed. In later meditations, I'm really trying to get you to realize something—e.g. about the illusoriness of the self—right then and there. We'll see if it works!
Erich J. Lehmann

The why it matters part ist the most important one... Without Sam I still would've been constantly lost in my thoughts and very likely would have missed most of my life. Sounds very dramatic, but it's just true.

So.. for anyone who is trying to figure out what the hell is going on in your mind - just download the app and take it from there. It will make thing much clearer.

Pros:

Just the perfect way to get into meditation and understanding why it matters

Cons:

None. Just took a whole while to get out ;)

Ben Casnocha
Have you done a samadhi concentration retreat before and any thoughts on how worthwhile a focused concentration practice is to a broader Vipassana practice?
Sam Harris
@bencasnocha I have never done a full retreat devoted to concentration practice. However, given the way vipassana is often taught (e.g. focusing on the breath), it's possible to develop a lot of concentration and keep things very narrow for a very long time. It can be useful to train this way intermittently—just to be sure that your awareness is actually precise. But, ultimately, fixating on any object of mindfulness can become a (dualistic) stumbling block.
Kenny Sabarese
@samharrisofficial What sets the Waking Up Course apart from the other meditation apps out there? You mentioned it will be Vipassana, but in your book you say you prefer Dzogchen.
Sam Harris
@fusioncompound See above. I'm presenting mindfulness from a Dzogchen perspective.
Kenny Sabarese
@samharrisofficial Do you think it is possible to raise "enlightened" kids or, more accurately, to prevent children from forming a sense of self? Methods that come to mind on how to achieve this would be parenting techniques or medicines such as psychadellics. I know your wife teaches meditation to children around age 5 or 6, but their sense of self has already formed by then. Beyond that, do you think it is possible that humans could ever evolve to a point where a sense of self never develops at all?
Sam Harris
@fusioncompound Some (hippy psychologist whose name escapes me) once said that "you have to become someone before you can become no one." And I think that's right. In other words, don't give your kids acid!
Dries De Schepper
Good to see you hear @samharrisofficial. I am a big fan of your work and I absutely love the UI/UX of your app. Excited to give this a try!
Kenny Sabarese
@samharrisofficial During meditation, it seems to me that I have two categories of thoughts. First are random thoughts that seem come from the out of no where and have a more random nature. The second type are those that seem to come from me, that I am creating them and are most often in the form of me talking to myself. Since I believe that consiousness, "I" is separate from the mind, "me" it *feels* that the random thoughts come from the "me" mind and the talking to myself thoughts come from the "I", but I know that is not true since the "I" is conciousness and only capable of awareness and observation. I also notice that in deep meditation, the outside, random thoughts tend to decrease, but the talking to myself thoughts are impossible to overcome. All forms of meditation teachers will say to observe the thoughts, but I don't know how to observe the ones that seem to come from I. Do you have any advice on how to break through this barrier?
Sam Harris
@fusioncompound This is a good observation. The "I" thoughts with which you are more identified can also be witness from a perspective that doesn't feel like "I." They are also just appearances in consciousness. Rather than look at the thoughts themselves, look for the thinker. And see how things seem the moment you attempt to turn attention upon itself.
Kenny Sabarese
@samharrisofficial I have heard you mention trying to look for the thinker from other times you've mentioned it and the two led meditations on your podcast and I'm not sure exactly how. I just sit there and try not to get led by my thoughts, take no action, Advaita Vedanta style (as per Jean Klein) I worry that taking any more "action" is just more thinking.... I hope you get to it in the app at some point.
Bryan Maniotakis

I've been waiting to see what this app is like after using 10% happier and Headspace for the last few years. I like the inclusion of the lessons, which offers a little more insight compared to the competition.

Pros:

Easy to listen to from someone with a unique perspective in the same

Cons:

Having some login issues as a previous patreon (content isn't showing up as unlocked, but was earlier)

Gerry Claps
@samharrisofficial - love this app (and all of your work), but if there's one thing I think you could tweak, it's the logo. Any thoughts on making it a little less cluttered? The bottom of the logo has a lot going on in a small amount of space (which looks fine when not a logo, but since it's the first thing you see, every day, it's worth considering). P.S. Come back to Sydney when you can ❤
Carson Collins
Hi. @wakingupkarl @samharrisofficial Having a fantastic app experience so far, however, last night I was interested in listening to all of your lessons available consecutively and had to close out and re enter each one to do so. Are there any plans to allow auto-play functionality on the lessons?
Sam Harris
@wakingupkarl @carson_collins Yes. Or playlists. Please give any suggestions for new features you want through the contact form at wakingup.com. And thanks!
Alex Birkett
Really excited to give this a spin! I've used Oak and Headspace regularly in the past, but always enjoyed the guided meditations @samharrisofficial put out more. Cool that it's now a full program/app