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TypingDNA Verify (2FA) - Replace SMS 2FA codes with better UX, just type 4 words

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Want to replace annoying SMS 2FA codes? We verify your users by the way they type 4 words. This improves UX significantly and reduces costs by an order of magnitude. Btw: you can get the solution free of charge for a limited time. Check the website for more.

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Raul Popa
Maker
Hello hunters! I’m one of the founders of TypingDNA and I’m super excited about this launch. After 3 years of improving our technology, we are finally ready for the biggest launch so far: TypingDNA Verify, a replacement for SMS 2FA codes that can, AND WILL, change the world as we know it. 🥇 You’ve probably seen us first on ProductHunt with our Chrome Authenticator, which won Product of the Day, and later with our fully-fledged Authentication API based on how people type. Thank you again for your support, it’s been an amazing journey! 👉 What is TypingDNA? TypingDNA is a behavioral biometric, just like your voice. As the name suggests, we look at how you type certain challenges, how much time it takes to reach each key, and how long you keep the keys pressed. Once we record your typing behavior we use it to verify your identity by comparing it with previous samples using proprietary AI. 🚀 Some history: Starting back in 2016, we developed our own technology from scratch using unique AI algorithms and a fresh vision of being everywhere people type, improving their lives through typing biometrics technologies. Most experts in identity verification today consider TypingDNA as the leading typing biometrics solution in the market. We’re working with top universities, IAM providers, and big technology companies to enable next-gen typing biometrics authentication. In early 2020 we’ve raised $7M Series A led by Google’s Gradient Ventures and we currently have a distributed team across the US and EU/Romania, with offices in NYC (HQ), Bucharest, and Oradea. 👉 About TypingDNA Verify We’ve put together everything we know: our best typing biometrics authentication technology, the best UX we’ve seen being integrated by our clients, and a brand new approach with SMS 2FA codes as Root of Trust (not de-facto authentication). The result: a smarter, user-friendly authentication solution that reduces the need to use SMS 2FA codes by an order of magnitude, reducing costs even more. Btw: the first companies to join will get the solution free of charge for the first year (for up to 100,000 users, SMS channel costs not included in the solution). Make sure you complete the form on our website to be added to the waitlist. 🔥 Why is it important to disrupt SMS 2FA? If you’re like us, you hate annoying SMS 2FA codes, you probably can’t stand the idea of switching back and forth between devices and copying hard to remember codes into your browser window. It takes forever. But believe it or not, it’s the easiest way to secure an account. There is nothing to install and it works out of the box, so most users are OK with it as is, even if they’re all annoyed by it. Another bummer is that it also costs companies more than ten times what it should, since carrier costs are baked in the SMS send costs, easily reaching 10-20 cents per a single authentication in some parts of the world. 👉 TypingDNA Verify does 3 main things: 1. reduces the need to use SMS 2FA codes 2. reduces costs, the solution comes at only $0.01/user/month (regardless of how many authentications you run) 3. improves user experience altogether 👉 Our plan for the day: We’re going to be actively engaged in the website live chat. If you have any questions and want to talk to us, please come to typingdna.com/verify and ask a question in the chat. Our team is going to hang out here today, so feel free to ask any questions below.
Chris Messina
@raulpopa typing four words seems like more work than six numerals.
Raul Popa
Maker
@chrismessina in our tests our solution is much much faster, not sure why but a 6 digit code is harder to remember in one step so you'll need to go back and forth at least 1 time (typical use), you also need to find the phone, make sure it's unlocked, look for the right notification, wait for it to arrive, make sure phone doesn't go to sleep while typing the digits/alphanumeric codes in the app. For example, above you typed a sentence of 10 words, I bet it took you less than 3 seconds. Now think again about how long it takes to find the code in your phone and type it. Wdyt, is it more than say.. 2 seconds?
Chris Messina
Yeah, I submit that I'm not normal. I have an Alfred Workflow that will grab the Sox digit code from iMessage and put it on the clipboard, so it's somewhat irrelevant what the content of the code is... But deviating from the six digits would likely break my current solution! 😅
Raul Popa
Maker
@chrismessina I think the biggest issue within product community in general is that none of us is normal :) yet our end-users are.
Gabriel Onyango
@raulpopa it's weird how I was just looking you guys up for your product's use for open banking SCA-everyone talks about the pain/friction of SMS OTP when making direct account to account payment in open banking but they talk like solutions like these don't exist. Curious whether you're cooking up anything to boost adoption among the open banking adopters? PS: When I saw you product hunt after coming from your website, I thought you were retargeting or stalking, hehe...such a coincidence. TypingDNA and ThreatMark were on my list.
Glen Creaser
Wow - this is extremely creative. You could be onto something huge! The future of verification. Exciting stuff, I'm looking forward to keeping up with your progress.
CristianT
Maker
@glen_creaser We are doing our best to do so! Do you think typing 4 words is quicker than having to look for your phone and type a verification code on your laptop?
CristianT
Maker
@glen_creaser It's great to hear that!
Prashanth Vaidya
Having used TypingDNA in the past, I can say this is amazing! Keystroke Dynamics does need to have more use-cases and it's nice to see it heading in that direction. Good luck :)
Kyle Hunt
Maker
@thecodearrow Thanks for the support Prashanth! We couldn't agree more.
Tudor Go
This looks like an awesome product guys!
CristianT
Maker
@tudor_go Thank you for your support, Tudor!
Stefan Carlescu
The best product from Typing DNA so far. Congrats! On the road to becoming a unicorn :) Godspeed!
CristianT
Maker
@stefancarlescu Thank you for your continued support, Stefi!
Devin Alldrit
What level of uniqueness can you discern from someones typing and how can you accurately match that across multiple devices? One of the most popular uses of 2FA is when signing in on a new device and I imagine ones typing "fingerprint" would vary quite a bit.
Raul Popa
Maker
@devin_alldrit1 this is a very deep question, I can either go with a long answer or a short one, there is no middle way. So, here's a short(er) one: user's typing dna measured on 4 words of ~28 chars with 3 initial enrolls (our standard) was able to produce 0 false positives in our tests (with thousands of samples). What we do in addition for Verify, since we produce the word combinations ourselves, we have learned a new algorithm for scoring text complexity/strength, that way the words you get to type add to the initial uniqueness of the system making it highly reliable and very hard to fool. It also becomes much stronger with time. That said, different devices work almost as well. We've tested it extensively and proactively recorded same users on multiple devices on purpose to support this use case in particular.
Catalin Pit
Good luck!
CristianT
Maker
@catalinmpit Thank you!!
Benoit Chambon
Love when people build UX-friendly tools ;) thanks for sharing!
CristianT
Maker
@benoit_chambon Sure! Keep it in mind for whenever you might need 2FA for Koinju.
Daryll Wong
How do you accurately capture keystroke dynamics and ensure consistency? May be quite awful if this malfunctions and user finds it frustrating to just get it passed. Great potential, really like this
Raul Popa
Maker
@daryllman Great question! The technology is trained to recognize people when they type on different devices, different keyboards, etc, but it's not perfect. Sometimes it fails to recognize same user, especially if they type in a very odd position, with just one hand, or intentionally trying to disrupt their natural typing behavior. Luckily this happens rarely enough and when it does, we just send the good ol' OTP code to their phone. The main technology behind Verify is already in production with a number of clients and we're yet to see one client leaving. We have 0 churn, which I think translates in good overall satisfaction, and less frustration on the user end.
Daryll Wong
@raulpopa This sounds really awesome! Would really remove the hassle of 2FAs (literally a pain in the ass). All the best! Looking forward.
Arun Karthik
How does it work for cross-device detection? I might have a different pattern on my mac and pc. Also a very different pattern in mobile and ipad.
Raul Popa
Maker
@freakyarch thanks for the question: the solution is device agnostic within all desktops and separately within all mobiles (but mobile solution is not yet available). btw, your typing pattern will not be significantly different on a mac vs a pc.
Irina Seng
Amazing and super UX friendly tool! Great job!
Raul Popa
Maker
@irina_seng thank you! btw, I just checked out Vectorly. Nice!
Brian Fritton
This is a great piece of tech!
Raul Popa
Maker
@brian_fritton Thank you! Appreciated!
George Brata
Good luck 🤞👏
CristianT
Maker
@george_brata Merci! I would be curious to hear how helpful you think typing four words are instead of SMS codes (from your mobile phone to your laptop).
Andrei Negrau
This looks like a no-brainer for virtually any company that's offering 2FA. Excited to see the product live so I won't have to go find my phone and deal with those annoying texts or Authy while browsing from my desktop. Congrats folks!
CristianT
Maker
@andrei_negrau Thank you, Andrei. Ping us when the time comes for Cartloop to implement 2FA.
Darren Chait
Love this! Congrats ?makers on making an everyday interaction so much more human.
Raul Popa
Maker
@darren_chait Thank you! Greatly appreciated! This goes for you as well, congrats for the great work your're doing at Hugo!
Mark Z. Lerner
Great product and great team. TypingDNA is groundbreaking!
CristianT
Maker
@mark_lerner Thank you for believing in us!
Dragos Bulugean
really nice :)
Slava Bobrov
Interesting idea, are there any cases that can result in a false negative?
Raul Popa
Maker
@slava_bobrov like with any biometric based solution there is a chance to get a false negative (also called false reject), as well as a false positive (false accept), but these are very rare, we're using a state of the art typing biometrics authentication engine developed over the last 4 years with really small potential false matches. The solution itself uses SMS 2FA codes as RoT (Root of Trust), therefore it already starts with some weaknesses. To summarize: like all other biometrics, and like the standard SMS OTP solution, this is also not perfect, that's why we only recommed it to be used as a second factor.
Pythagoras
How do you handle swipe typing?
Raul Popa
Maker
@wisepythagoras Verify typing verification doesn't work on mobiles yet (at all), we just send the SMS code on mobiles at this time. However TypingDNA has developed other technologies that handle mobile typing, but swipe typing is a thing we didn't yet solve publicly. We have a work in progress there. It's a quite hard problem to solve, probably will not have that accuracy of the standard typing. One thing a mobile integration of our Authentication API can do today is to ask people to type in a standard way or display a custom keyboard that has swiping and predictive typing blocked. Does this answers your question?
Ovi Negrean
Congrats & Good luck, @raulpopa & team!