In 1999, I moved to Kansas City, MO to attend a nine-month leadership development program called Master's Commission. I didn't know it yet, but my life was about to change dramatically. That's where I met Brenda Rindels. She and her husband Lloyd became my mentors that year. They taught me how to become a lifelong learner, how to love myself and others more deeply. 15 years later, I decided to interview Brenda. Together we look back at that transformational year. In this episode we discuss: -What makes a good leader, -What fosters personal growth? -What prevents internal change? -How do people change? -What prevents people from changing?