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Rise Sleep — 100 years of sleep science for more energy & productivity
Become a better sleeper using 100 years of sleep science. We help you automatically track your sleep debt and circadian rhythm.
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@juanpablosarmi Rigor is one of our values. It's the only way to solve this huge problem (versus just trying to sell people things).
An app I have been using for a couple of months now. Has helped me understand quite a bit about Sleep science and my own schedule. Not sure how much it has helped on an objective but I surely feel much better focused and fresh in the mornings now.
@hrishikesh1990 thanks a ton for sharing what we're working on. Glad you're feeling much more focus and fresh in the mornings. How much sleep debt did you work down?
@jfkahn Most welcome Jeff! Love the app. I have been been able to reduce > 0.5 hrs of debt in the recent times, but it has been much higher from the beginning for sure :)
Thanks @hrishikesh1990 for hunting ❤️ We weren't expecting a hunt on valentines morning.
We also decided to take down our paywall just for the day (meaning a free lifetime subscription) so instead of reading the rest of this post just go try it yourself.
Since there are so many sleep apps and companies out there, thought I'd share with the community a bit more about the mission we're on at Rise.
In short, we're working on making healthy sleep standard. If we had our druthers, everyone would be committed to the life-long practice of being rested.
As a team, we're living in that future world of being well rested. People are nicer, healthier, more productive and all the other amazing things that come from better sleep.
Imagine if the world was that way? It's that vision that drives all of us @risescience to do what we do.
Our obsession with sleep started 10 years ago when @leonsass and I met in engineering school. We'd be up late at night pounding the books. We were exhausted.
We started to think our sleep might have something to do with it. This was novel back in 2010😂 We got a chance to hone our sleep science knowledge with some of the top sleep scientists in the world. That good fortune led us to, in my knowledge at least, publish the first paper on sleep behavior change. The initial strong results gave us confidence that we could build technology to help regular people get more sleep amidst the ups and downs of life.
So, thanks for giving us a chance to insert a piece of technology into your life that we've designed with intention. Thanks to the thousands of sleep scientists that came before us to pave the way. We owe our work to you and we stand on the shoulders of giants.
Go ahead, and give it a try. If you like Rise and want more folks to find it, leave us a written review in the App Store or PlayStore. Seriously, those reviews help a ton.
Lastly, let us know what you think. Feel free to ask away, we'll be perusing this until end of day. And then of course, we'll stop working because it's valentines day and we should be getting sleep💤💤
@hrishikesh1990 @risescience @leonsass @jfkahn I downloaded the app, but how do I know that I've got the free subscription? There is not any way I can see to subscribe in the app.
@lifesmyth If you didn't go through a paywall/subscription process then you should be all set!
Okay as I already use a tracker (new Garmin from Fitbit) I am interested to see how you use the data and how much more insight you’re able to provide. Downloading it now, I will update in a couple of days.
Interested to try this, but looks like it's not available in the UK – perhaps US only?
@nickseguin thank you for your reply
Though I am not sure where to do so on your (well designed) website. No intercom like pop up is showing, and there is no "contact us" section. + in the FAQ it indicates :
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Does Rise work on Android?
Rise is currently available on iOS.
Android is on our product roadmap.
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I though it was available since there is a CTA to android app here, on product hunt
@nathan_gouy sorry about that. I was unclear. Go ahead and email: support @ risescience.com. I'll help you re: international there.
Also, our fault for not updating our FAQs after Android launched.
Sleep is clearly a problem, hence sleep products seem to be relatively common with many claiming to be backed by 'science', but few actually are and they end up either as dead products within a month, or milking customers' money with pseudoscience.
But this could be different. Your FAQ says:
> In fact, Rise's two co-founders were the first to publish a paper that showed sleep apps can help people get more sleep and feel better.
Which sounds promising. Can you talk a bit more about this paper, the background of the founders and the specific science behind your product?
@mandeep Thanks for bringing up an important topic. It's tiring as a consumer and I'm consistently underwhelmed by the science in every sleep product I've seen to date. At some point I owe you a blog post critiquing the science behind every major sleep product
Everyone claims "science" these days. Check out https://www.risescience.com/science where we talk about what that means to us.
TLDR: We only build what we could reasonably defend to a group a sleep scientists or behavior scientists (if the feature is more in that realm). So when we say science, that is what we mean.
Now, that doesn't always mean we're right. Any scientific discipline evolves over time. It does mean that you will get something that works and is based on the amazing work of sleep scientists the last 95 years (yes, it's not quite 100 yet).
Building products with a deep connection to academic literature is incredibly difficult. We spend a significant amount of time training everyone on the team so they can build with intent, we engage with the research world to critique our work and make us better, we invest in putting our work in front of many rounds of user research before "shipping".
At the end of the day, we're building a product to help folks make change in their lives. The scientific enterprise is concerned primarily with the discovery of new knowledge.
Everything we do (focusing on sleep debt, circadian rhythm, habits) and what we don't do (sleep architecture, sleep scores, meditation) is intentional.
I mentioned a bit about my background in sleep science with @leonsasson. I'm not a traditional sleep scientist (I don't hold a PhD in a related field) but I've published papers in the field. That said, in my work at Rise I've had the ability to get coached by the some of the best scientists in the field and have been running "experiments" testing and building sleep products for almost a decade.
I didn't quite answer your question but hope this gives you more color.
Feel free to ask my anything further. More than happy to share.
@leonsasson @jfkahn That does answer my question - thanks!
I don't expect some kind of perfect implementation, or something that aims to be a pure implementation of academic literature. Of course, any product needs to take into account the customer as well. I'm just after products that aren't selling snake oil, and have some kind of scientific reasoning behind the product, and a reason to believe their product is actually going to fix sleep problems.
In this specific field I don't think a product can do that without both some understanding of relevant sleep science, and the tech that can accurately do what the app is trying to do (eg an Apple Watch cannot accurately detect advanced sleep metrics, like many apps are trying to do). For example, it's clear through multiple studies that (at least currently) sleep tracking apps on phones cannot even remotely accurately track 'REM sleep'. Heck, some apps are unable to even accurately detect if you're sleeping at all. [wrote a small post about it here, trying to be optimistic: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite...]
Personally I'm looking for an app that can help me improve some aspect of sleep, or the effects of poor sleep, in a way that's reliable and useful. I don't think the apps I refer to in my previous paragraph are - they understand there's a problem with sleep, and that apps may be able to help, but they generally don't really have the tech or the science to back whatever solution they're selling. I've tried many of them personally and none have helped.
My sleep has naturally improved, but I used to have quite a lot of sleep problems, so I think there's definitely room for an actually useful product to fix a problem that affects millions. After all, poor sleep is a big cause of poor educational and workplace performance, and general happiness.
I'd love to give Rise a shot if you ever come to the UK - I can't see it on my App Store currently.
@leonsasson @mandeep thanks for the thoughtful response. email us at support@risescience.com and we can give you instructions to download from the UK.
It annoys us that many apps report sleep architecture when:
1) best in class wearables aren't much better than a coin flip
2) even if it were accurate that presumes knowing the information is useful. Spoiler: it's not terribly useful for most folks looking to get more of their day through better sleep.
Been using Rise for about 2 months. Honestly, it gave me the first actionable information about sleep that I was able to actually use.
The major struggle i'm having right now is that the data it's pulling from for me is from Sleep Cycle and I'm working on getting my phone out of my bedroom. I likely need to get a wearable to make sure I'm collecting all the data I need to in order to get the most out of the app (but that's on me).
Congrats @jfkahn and team!
@joelrunyon That's great feedback. Our automatic mode is designed to only need phone data. For 80%+ of Rise users that allows Rise to accurately calculate sleep need, duration, debt, and circadian. Of course for some of us phone behavior doesn't map well to sleep (and that's great!). In those cases, wearable data can improve accuracy. And keep an eye out in the future here - we're working on a high fidelity feature that should be super useful to you.
I've been using this app for a couple months so its cool to see it finally pop up on Product Hunt! First, thanks for the team behind this. I really appreciate the scientific basis you've grounded this all in and how you can really tell it has been designed with intention. Second, I've used other sleep apps out there too but Rise seems to deliver me the best insights. No idea how you pulled off such an amazing product, but I've been telling my friends about this and look forward to keep recommending it!
I'll have to check it out... I've been using Sleep Watch app for awhile now and pay for the premium service. https://www.sleepwatchapp.com/ -- I'll have to compare... so many 'sleep' apps out there.
Hey there @jfkahn ! The app looks slick! I'm working through a significant sleep debt. Is the offer still available? I'd love to take a look. Just signed up and got everything connected. Can you let me know?
@steve_mattus if you downloaded Rise and didn't put see the paywall then you've got the offer :-)
@3gak_kimbap Feel free to email us support @risescience.com and we can share more details.
Been using Rise for a few months now and the team there has definitely built something special. Has helped me get much better sleep and it could do the same for teams and companies as a whole. Excited to see where the product development goes in the future.
@conner_schafer To hear we've helped you get better sleep is just the best. Thanks for letting us know. And definitely stay tuned on the product front – we've got some great stuff in the works. Early feedback is promising :-)
Thanks @conner_schafer for sharing your thoughts. We've got some awesome work in the pipeline.
@johnciech Thanks John! Glad onboarding felt good. Welcome aboard - we're exited to have you.
Love this application. It holds me accountable to my sleep schedule. Rise is addressing a major epidemic in an elegant, data-driven way.
@eganmontgomery glad we're helping you stay accountable and keep that sleep debt low💤💤
Been using Rise for 6 mo now, and love the product. It's helped me double down on prioritizing sleep and building pattern recognition around the impact of sleep on performance at work (and of course general happiness.) Big fan, nice work team.
@adamstelle "prioritizing sleep and building pattern recognition around the impact of sleep on performance at work" <-- music to our ears
@richard_mulholland Hi there. We do have some country restrictions in place right now. Feel free to email us support @risescience.com for more detail.
I have been looking for something just like this! Excited to give this sleep app a try! Will update soon!
One of the best sleep apps out there! And the best team on the planet to take it the distance.
@siarhei_nekhaichyk Hi. We've got some restrictions in place right now. Feel free to email support @risescience.com and we can follow up there.
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