@erictwillis They say it's 'open' but when you sign up that ask all sorts of questions about company size etc., and you then hit the 'apply' key. Here's the blurbage 'We're making Workplace available to companies around the world. Enter your details and we'll be in touch soon. Our sales team will work with you to understand your needs and help launch Workplace across your organisation.'
UK english, too.
@stoweboyd@erictwillis They don't want trash sign up. But they need a demo account so we could test the feature. I think guys at Workplace still not optimize the landing page and onboarding for new sign up.
@stoweboyd@erictwillis Found this a bit annoying - with a bunch of splashy announcements and a price point that is about as mass market as it gets, they're still going to have a salesforce-style hard human sell. Those little details I feel are why Slack will win.
@rrhoover Yammer never really worked for me. I'm also a little apprehensive about associating my facebook account (which is keep largely private for family and friends) to my identity at work.
@mountainmatt That would be the biggest turn-off for me, but I can see it working in other industries that rely on those bonds. Music promotion, for example.
Facebook vs Slack
(#TeamSlack)
This is the TechCrunch article of the announcement
(I get that Slack is the easiest 'comparison' to make in this space where it isn't tackling the same thing)
Here is Zuckerbergs post on it: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/po...
Pricing hard to understand:
So it's only $1 / month if you have over 10,000 MAUs?
EDIT: they added a little gray box that says "PRICING PER ACTIVE USER PER MONTH" .
Our company has been on Facebook at Work for almost a year now and nobody ever uses it which is really disappointing considering we have over 350 employees.
@derekbtw like every entreprise social network... employees must be willing to use it, you can't simply put in a place a tool and expect your employees to use it
@cherifmahiedine well we WOULD use it but there's no way of incorporating it into any kind of dashboard you already have. We have a dashboard that all employees use daily to look at sales records, inventory, and data input applications within. If they let you import your own tools, that would actually be very useful. But as for now, it's literally just a fork of Facebook.
@derekbtw I think Workplace should add an internal CRM tool that can cover all your emails and sales. I found that not everything could change in one night. They want to kill emails but how to connect with clients and customers that do not have a Workplace account at their companies. And old emails and phone still live.
@derekbtw Automotive is also way behind in general. Really tough to get user adoption in a low digital literacy environment. (Yours sounds more advanced than what I'm experiencing... kudos.)
I'm attempting to sneak Ryver (Slack competitor.. and I'm not a fan of their mktg) because of it's layout.. and because I can collaborate with external vendors using private teams.
Internal adoption is going very slow. Though, admittedly, I'm layering it in covertly.
Does this Facebook feature provide a way to collaborate with external vendors privately... but within the interior walls of the group?
Just seems like Facebook is all out of "ideas" if they aren't copying or acquiring a company ( to do more copying ) they are shitting bricks.
"Have you ever asked anybody what their favorite color is?
I'm sure you have and it's not the most interesting question, but how many times do you say Beige?
Never because it's one of the worst colors, it's hardly even a color.
its like oatmeal or sand...it's Beige.
It's bland, now productivity software around empowering people in a workplace environment to be energised lol
Why in heavens name is beige used like this...were the engineers in thinking jail?"
Pretty competitive market, many are attacking it from all different ways. Platforms like Beekeeper (www.Beekeeper.io) are going after this market as well. Yammer would be competition in my opinion. Slack does a completely different purpose.
@as_austin I agree with you, slack is a chat tool and this is ESN. Finally they have entered into more competitive market where there are established players like Yammer (www.yammer.com) , zyncro(www.zyncro.com), Zoho Connect (www.zoho.com/connect) to name a few.
@gopuhemanth very true. I think you would also find many of those competitors have volatile user adoption statistics ranging from complete inactivity to cluster hyperactivity.
Resembles wrike a bit. Slack seems far from this as slack is "easy" on the eyes and pretty tidied up.
What I always wonder, where is the impact of the numerous UX designers, researchers and other interaction designers in facebook products. Every FB product feels so rough, dusted and totally not en par with today's startup products in terms of visual appeal.
Anyways, I wished for this around 4 years ago, today, meh I'm locked-in in other established products.
@hoandesign Broad audience reach has never been a sufficient argument against design evolution and daring design progress. It's the perfect formula for stagnation and security.
Wonder how the iPhone would look like if they'd said "Wait, but we can't change the size, because we have a certain audience that is used to it". Questionable at best...
@andmitsch It's not fast as we think. Why does emails still work now? It's good enough. We have many clients in our country Vietnam just said hate to whitespace, line icons and event flat design. It makes the design clean but all they think is waste of space and too simple, too lazy.
Eh. Seems like just another "me too" play by Facebook. The design is too similar to regular Facebook and users won't be able to remove the mental connection between the two. Looks like a glorified FB group with business-y beige background.
Workplace is not supposed to be your "go-to" work app. Facebook's long term directive is to be an infrastructure for your digital footprint, right? So 10 years from now, you likely will not be using Facebook, but you'll be using a Facebook-integrated product, and Workplace is a step into the business app market where Facebook previously had no value prop. Now it does, and in due time it'll be collecting an immense amount of data about you at the workplace from all your favorite work apps.
My biggest concern here for FB would be that people start associating Facebook with work (and all its stresses and obligations) and start to disengage from their personal Facebook accounts. I like having tools that leverage many of the good UX experiences I have on social media, but I appreciate the separation I have now between work and the rest of my life...
This seems to accelerate the trend of Facebook as a utility beyond all else, but maybe that's the goal?
I have a hard time seeing people actually use this based on the "concept" of what Facebook is too people. A "private" social network more Twitter in it's demographic usage than for business-oriented ventures. People like their labels, and I would rather Facebook focus on improving it's advertising and social platform more than diluting it with side projects.
Convo (http://convo.com) deserves a shout out here. Been using it for years and though it could be with a touch of Slack's 'fun' elements it's been invaluable to my productivity and communication running a number of remote teams.
Sounds like another place to cat GIFs and not do work.. when will people focus on productivity tools and making them better because they all suck. FB collecting more data to serve more ads...
I am curious to see the adoption due to cross profile use. Slack has the benefit of keeping your profile very isolated to a work only type of environment. The idea of mixing my personal facebook with a work facebook is very unsettling.
@hoandesign Thanks for clarification. I do think though that just the thought that they are both on Facebook (at first glance) in general, feels wrong for some reason. I can imagine this being a turn off for many people. Almost wish this was a completely separate product. Will check it out more and see if they intermingle at all.
The pricing page is thoroughly ambiguous. $3 per year? $3 per month? $3/user/month? Also, the developers should probably know that since the landing page is built on wordpress.com, if you're logged in to wordpress.com the Wordpress banner partially covers their top navigation. I hope this goes somewhere, but seeing how slowly and poorly FB has developed FB Groups, I'm not going to get my hope too high.
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