What if a person is trying to control porn addiction and masturbation addiction? And someone says, "If you can quit your addiction, you'll become a CHAD!" NO FAP app does the same. It counts no fap days and gives different badges accordingly.
@lhenriques@noob_dev “some bad effects”? Like what? It's fine to make an app to help people quit bad habits.
But it's NOT fine at all to spread misinformation about a natural thing that roughly 99% of the population does with no ill effects whatsoever.
@lhenriques Masturbation is fine. Watching porn is not. I'm not an expert but I think most of the detrimental effects of masturbation are not from masturbating itself, but from watching porn to masturbate to. It's that hyper stimulus that messes with the natural rhythms of your mind and body, making it easy to get addicted to.
This app promotes the unfounded misconception that masturbation is bad.
One of its 3 reviews in the Play Store reads ”using this app, I stopped masturbating for 100 days.” If I'm not mistaken, the app was released 3 days ago. With that in mind, I find it hard to believe that this unbiased user, who is totally not the maker or a friend of his, has been using it for 100+ days.
@anna_0x And about the "100-day" review, one of my friends did that (Maybe sarcastically, or maybe he thought of helping me by giving it a good review). I told him to delete that.
@anna_0x While I don't personally adhere to their philosophy, It's hard to ignore the size of the nofap community, who are no doubt bursting in their need for an app like this. It would be quite a coup to be the go-to app for a community of that size.
Personally, I find it hard to find their views offensive - to me, it doesn't seem like they're trying be sex negative so much as they're seeking to apply discipline to their lives to reap some potential benefits, real or imagined.
Though size of community is hardly an argument when it's built my misinformation, and I understand your point about perpetuating negative attitudes about masturbation, particularly as we move towards a more sex-positive culture. I guess to some degree we have to ironically respect the notion that we live in a society where people can publicly discuss their masturbation habits, or lack thereof.
I'd love to see more formal research on the benefits, and those weighted against the possible negatives. Having done a quick google, the main one I see referenced is the same Universal Science 2003 Article ([A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...))
@noob_dev You might consider looking at something like Leangains.com (particularly old archive.org versions of the site) and how he built his community around Intermittent fasting by collating all the research on the topic and providing evidence-based claims long before IF was readily accepted by fitness communities. He has like 600+ people on patreon paying ~$10/mo now to follow along.
@anna_0x Hi, Anna.
The developer/creator's mission is to help millions of people all over the Internet who are suffering from a serious addiction with a very simply tracker. If you've ever heard of websites like 4chan or reddit, you might know that you can easily find hundreds of so-called boards over there, in which people discuss nothing other than their porn fantasies and how they masturbate in their lucid dreams while masturbating in reality uncontrollably, all while sleeping. If you want to find the cause, there are as many stories as there are people using those online boards. You have absolutely no clue of the examples people are going through.
The younger male generations almost never consider visiting doctors for these types of issues and only turn to those exact online places, in which they communicate through memes, ridiculous stories, and other forms of online communication just to find someone who understands them.
Please have understanding for this sort of app, which I think is genuninely helpful, given the memes used in it to praise the user's achievements, and don't spread this sort of irrational negativity. The arguments you're attempting to provide are completely pointless and hurtful. Thanks.
@rossdcurrie thanks for the thoughtful, civilized comment. I don‘t disagree at all. Everyone can choose to do (or not do) whatever they want, as long as they don’t harm others.
“Though size of community is hardly an argument when it's built my misinformation, and I understand your point about perpetuating negative attitudes about masturbation, particularly as we move towards a more sex-positive culture.”
My issue with the specific app (and what I consider to be a substantial part of the No Fap community) is that it glorifies (perhaps jokingly, but still) abstinence from masturbation. It promotes the idea that the less you masturbate → the more attractive/strong/admirable you become (the badges for long streaks in the app are images of progressively more muscular men, and if you have no streak you’re a “clown”).
I have nothing against people who for whatever reason or lack thereof choose to not masturbate and even encourage others to do the same. But saying or implying that masturbation is a bad thing in general is the wrong way to do it.
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